WHAT DO THE PEOPLE OF INVERCARGILL REALLY THINK ABOUT THE TRUST?
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80% of voters want Alcohol for sale in Supermarkets! That's 320 votes!
75% of voters believe we pay more than most for our alcohol!
Only 30% of voters are happy with how the Trust spends the towns money!
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The ILT’s Hold on INVERCARGILL
The ILT's Hold on the City of Invercargill starts at the top with the ICC Deputy Mayor Neil Boniface is also on the ILT Board ,Then Alan Dennis President ILT and also on ICC as a Councillor . So how can we have unbyest representation when we have power held by High Ranking people on Both the ILT & ICC ,without looking at all the other People Sharing Boards inter twined .To say the ILT does this and that for the Citizens of Invercargill the funding is coming out of the pockets of the Poorist of Invercargill's Residents. Spending Money they Can't Afford on the Gambling Machines owned by the ILT . Then the ILT has the Gull to say they are funding the ILT Velodrome or Splash Palace , Rugby Park , Stadium Southland , Plus all the Community Groups etc etc ... It's the people who can't afford to Gamble who's money is being used Through the ILT Foundation to pay for the Building of all these great venues not very much is coming from the ILT Parent Company if any ? and it's HUGH Profits from there strangle hold on the sale of Booze in Invercargill is going into making there Empire even BIGGER and Now with a 28% Stake in DB Breweries NZ what’s that worth $$?? plus Motels in Dunedin , where and what else have they got as Investments Hidden around the Country out this Region . IT'S THE POOR PAYING THROUGH THERE NOISES and then the Rate payers are having to pay for the running of these Venues when the ILT gets more Profits from all the Visitors coming to the City (who stay at ILT Motels-Hotels ,Drink there Piss and eat there food) to use these Venues you the RATE PAYERS are paying for there running ... This City Need's too separate the ILT & ICC you can't have people on the same Board's or Council's
Carl 15000 Invers
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Bad money - nasty booze & gambling money. Bad business.
Isabel , Invercargill
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Reputable charities such as the Salvation Army are refusing ILT money because of the
links to gambling and alcohol sales (it would be hypocritical for them to do otherwise)
Consequently,sports and social groups are benefiting disproportionally from the pool of
money that is available. Surely this was not the original intention in forming the
licensing trust. If the ILT really represented the interests of the people of
Invercargill, it would sell their (sorry our) assets and distribute the profits from the
investments in a fair way. Come on ILT time to move with the times.
John, Invercargill
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Even the Sallies have stopped showing support now its getting worse.
Dean Invers
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(All information is property of Websurvey Organisation of New Zealand PO Box 561 Invercargill)
____________________________________________I have just read the latest bulletin put out by the ILT which brags
about the handouts it gives to the community.
I see that Hockey Southland has been given $400,000 and Rugby Southland
$350,000. Wait for it, the Cancer Society has been given a lousy $121,
no that is not a misprint.
So this is why all you sheep here in Invercargill continue to support
the ILT. So that able bodied, fit, young sports people who are quite
capable of raising their own funds can get massive hand out's while more
deserving charities get a few coins. Time for a change. Let us stop
dithering around, get a poll organised and get rid of the ILT altogether.
DO IT NOW.
Cheers John
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What does this site mean to do?
Gordon Invercargill
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We have been looking at this site for a while and reckon you are very brave.
keep up the work - it will have an effect.
Aroha Invercargill
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To Jim B of Windsor, it does no good to contact the ILT's official site to tell them your
views. I have done this on a few occasions and have not received even an acknowledgement,
and they have definitely not published my comments.
All this is part of their culture to suppress free speech and democratic debate.
Why to you think the local newspaper has not picked up the fact that this survey even
exists,
I have also written to the local TV station to try and get a debate organized and
broadcast to Invercargill. You guessed it, no response.
I can only conclude that too many pockets are being pissed in.
What I would urge people to do, is to write to newspapers and magazines outside the ILT's
area of influence and tell your story. The truth will eventually emerge.
In the short term we can help to take money away from the ILT by buying our liquor
outside the ILT area. Call in to places like Winton if you are out for a drive for
example. If you go out for an evening's entertainment, stay away from the ILT's booze
barns that seem to cater mainly for adolescents anyway. The only entertainment being loud
bands and large TV screens permanently tuned in to the rugby channel.
There are alternatives to the ILT, so wake up and smell the coffee as they say.
Cheers John
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Look forward to hearing he trusts explantion for their behaviour from the last couplle of year,
Nettie - Invercargill city
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Thanks for your email - look forward to meeting with film crew
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Yes happy to tell my story - theres good and bad - Name and adress supplied
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Let me see if I have got this correct.
The people of Invercargill are quite happy to have all their liquor
purchasing, entertainment, restaurants, and accommodation controlled by
the ILT in exchange for a few handouts.
No matter that free enterprise, and free speech are stifled.
Why has the local newspaper not even picked up that this site even exists.
Free speech can not be stifled altogether, the truth will eventually
come out..
I would just like to know why the citizens of Invercargill want to be
beneficiaries of the ILT. Are you not capable of deciding where and when
and how often you buy a bottle of wine.
I am just enjoying a glass of red, purchased of course outside the ILT
area of monopoly.
That is another thing, in most civilized countries the kind of
monopolistic business foisted upon us by the ILT would be against the
law, but not here in NZ.
Cheers John
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Whats really disappointed about the Trust here is their total lack of interest in the opinion of the people of the city. I have been watching this site since it started and am surprised that in the light of what has been said here they have made no effort to change what they do. This webblog have been a perfect opportunity for them to judge market and adapt. Its clear they just dont want to know.
Just a reminder to see about the law underpinning the formation of Trusts like this and the ability to hold a referendum: http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/1997/liquor/licensing.html
Want to contact ILT? Check out their website and tell them what you think:
http://www.ilt.co.nz/contact.php
Jim B Windsor
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post made on 8th March
Name and addres given - for interview.
Tara - South City
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hope you get the doco done - the country needs to hear what goes on here in Banjo land. Its just BS
Kelli Waikiwi
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Thanks for chance to "have my say". Dont like the stranglehold the ILT has on the town - I have had a very intertesting experience with the Trust and would be happy to tell my story on camera - Name and address supplied.
"Gina' Invers
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Hello,
I have just paid a visit to your website after a few months.
I was hoping that by now that you would have done something towards initiating a poll as
to whether or not we still want the ILT.
There are a whole string of comments, some by me.
This is all very well, freedom of speech and all that, but I think the time has come for
some action.
There is an old saying, "If you do what you have always done, you will get what you have
always got".
Cheers John
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I am embarrassed by the Trust - poor old Invercargill justa hick town till it goes
Jase Invercargill
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The Mayor is the Mayor
and should stick to that job.
We live in Greenhills, between Bluff & Invercargill
I have no problem getting my alcohol from Liquorland, and
supporting the work that the ILT do around the area, but when
other areas of NZ can buy wine, Beer & spirits cheaper
it does get annoying. (we don't earn any extra than these
other
areas in NZ - the exact opposite really!)
So ILT MATCH the prices that Countdown etc have on their specials and
you wouldn't have so many people wanting it on sale in supermarkets.
In fact sometimes 4Square have cheaper deals in Bluff than you
do
- and I can go buy it there just as easily as I can
in South City.
But I like having the whole selection in one shop,
so I would
continue to get it there. I JUST WANT THE SAME
PRICES AS THE
REST OF NEW ZEALAND!
Kat, Invercargill
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last night i attented ilt agm where you there the place was full and the meeting was run real well.
the main speaker said that drink and poker mechines had to be treated with care as they both (my words grow on you) we all have options in ones life be like other citys and struggle for the things most ratepayers cant afford like the new football grounds dunedin is trying to afford at this moment. invercargill has it all the money given away to the public this year was$10m 200 thousand go and buy you supplys where ever you want there are plenty of on line places who would be only to happy to sell it to you.
at the meeting not one person spoke on how they are dissopinted.its strange we all get a bee in our bonnet from time to time i think yous is a dog with a large bone
cheers thel.
Thelma, Invercargill
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You guys are full of
sh*t! It's
obvious that u can't see what a huge benefit the ILT is to the
community of Invercargill. We should be greatful that we have such a
great organisation to provide employment and funding to so many people
and organisations. I agree that alcohol is slightly more expensive here
than at other places, but the benefits that that extra money brings in
significantly outweighs the fact that u can't buy alcohol at the
supermarket and what not.
If u opened your eyes and went out and looked at all the things
invercargill has to show for such a small city then i think that u
would see that the ILT is a great asset to the city. Things such as the
stadium, velodrome, splash palace and educational equipment such as
interactive whiteboards - would still all be something of the distant
future without the help and support and the ILT.
Monique, Invercargill
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Just had a look at the site after a gap of a few months. I thought there
may be so new ideas from the pro Trust brigade, or some word as to
whether there will be a referendum on whether or not we continue with
the ILT.
Perhaps even some word as to when there will be debate on local TV.
sadly, the general population of Invercargill can not break away from
its security blanket, ie the ILT.
Over and over again, why do you people want to be beneficiaries of the ILT.
One of the arguments for the ILT is that they were a prime mover in
getting the Velodrome up and running. Well, apart from the cycling
fraternity, who wants a bloody Velodrome anyway?
Out of curiosity I visited this so called Velodrome a while back. There
was a bloke on a motorbike (no, not a push bike) riding round and round
the track creating a lot of noise and fumes.What pleasure he derived
from doing this, is hard for me to comprehend. Seems a bit pointless.
This is just an example of the ILT spending money just for the sake of it.
Why do we need to live in a nanny state. Invercargill is what the rest
of NZ will become, if we have too many more years of a Labour
government, The state interfering with every aspect of your lives.
Homosexual marriages, not being allowed to discipline your kids, no more
pies in the school tuck shop, the list goes on.
Don't let the ILT monopoly continue.
Cheers John
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(Vote for) Suzanne
Prentice
Neil Boniface (for Chairman) - axe Dennis totally!
Mary, Invercargill
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Found this on a Trade-me messageboard, and thought it was quite honest and witty...(posted here by TS, Invercargill, 26 April 07)
Ok, look out im about to blow... i feel a rant building up..thaaar She Blooooooows =
A corporate entity monopolising our town,60 yrs of operating and theyve made us look like clowns.
Their Bars are run hap-hazzardly,and their staff are poorly trained.
And when caught out by the:Raid Squad,other factors are to blame.
They hired a group from outta town to add security and calm,and ended up moving who they had in charge,as he was arrested for:Grievous bodily harm!
I prefer the:Southland Express as its a much more honest read,and for me its not tarnished by Bias or by Greed.
As was there that i first noticed: www.iltsurvey.co.nz, where true opinions of Southlanders can be earnestly read.
Not a fictional story of life and how we'd like things to be, but the facts plain and simple in all its entirety..
Mr Gary Muir in the southland times stating:What more can we do?
Hmmm More focus on people instead of Profits,and this i say to you..
Don't suffocate a community for your own personal gain make your managers accountable,and decrease the suffering and pain.
Your Doorstaff are pathetic the consistency is just NOT there,but what more can we expect from an establishment that just don't care.
From: Alcohol Abuse and Gambling they profit from a towns demise,if they really wanted to help this town alot of problems could be fixed overnite!
By loseing their attitude and making friends for the answer lies within,and without a word like:Consistency,you can throw your rules in the bin!?
Well im happy now ive had my say, and hope you all had a great day. So until i dance on the keyboard again - Take Care, one and All!!
And then in todays headlines(Southland times 18/11/2006) calling the law an ass,and their arguement is that the intoxicated should be allowed to wait on premises until the courtesy coach or cab arrives and calling it:Host Responsibility.Where was this host responsibility that allowed a person to get into such a state they could hardly walk? And they would have us believe that all managers are responsible... what a load of Bollocks!!! The police more often that not are the very ones that are called to cleanup the mess these so called responsible managers create by allowing these intoxicated individuals to stay.
If their staff are incapable of dealing with a situation due to not wanting to be put in a confrontational position by doing their job,then why pay them for it!?? And if you are waiting for a coach or a cab is it common practice to be served twice when you already can hardly stand, while you are waiting? Come on I.L.T you can have as many meetings with the Police as you like but history tells us it doesn't mean diddly squat when you're not going to listen or do something about it...just sounds like more pompous arrogance to me.
It is time for a change.....and no doubt it will be for the better.
TS, Invercargill
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gr8 stuff still spending our money on sport . maybe it was worth it for the netball tho
Mandy SIT
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Statue to the survey ppls! Pull down the Alan dennis statues
Lorna Richmond
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I think that the trust have actually looked at some of the criticism here and made 2 decent pubs. Nothing original but better than the ususal drivel weve had. sick in the streets. Piddle in the alleyways.
Sober Stone Glengarry
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welcome back iltsurvey
dont go away again
Ken Kew
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Where have the comments gone - I have missed the daily updates
STar
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The figures dont look good. The vast majority of us want alcohol for sale in supermarkets. And we cant because...? What does it take.
Competition? We all know thats ajoke . ILT is allergic to competition they want total control and will drive anyone else out of the market. Specially if they dont like 'em.
Its time for a big shake up and change. This place will make that happen over time. Keep up the good work!
Graeme Invercargill South
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The only good thing about MAyor Tim being iLT would be to get a fresh perspective and it need that.
Si Invers
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Wow what great facilites the ILT make for us. Woohoo kool as kazakstan
Dud, Invers
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How can the Trust be so unresponsive to this survey? Its obvious they wouldn't think it great be ought to make an effort.
Taylor Kew
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Now that the new year is upon us its time for change
Gary H Invercargill
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The Southland Chamber of Commerce http://www.commercesouth.com/ is running a poll on Tim being on the ILT Trust also. Have a look.
Karen Invercargill
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This will be a big year for the Trust - some decisions will come home to roost. We shall see.
Taylor, North Invercargill
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It would be fundamentally and philosophically wrong for the Mayor to hold these two positions
Shaun (of the living) Invercargill
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Merry xmas all site visitors and to the team who do this site - well done and have a good time over the festive period.
Jane, Invercargill
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Trust spending our money on keepin g the oldies fed. I guess some ppl would see that as sweet. I see it as butter. No thanks.
Stephen Invers
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Having weighed up the pros and cons - i think the best thing would be for our great mayor NOT to stand for the ILT at next elections. My rationale? He will make too much of a success of it, and I dont think the Trust should be leading us into the next ten years, sorry.
Disillusioned Southlander.
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I
Think this is a terrible idea we must have a division between City
Council and ILT most people already consider ILT has favoured treatment
if you do stand Tim your crediabity will be nil
Albert, Invercargill
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Sunday city Invercargill
Maybe without the Trust it will click over to a Monday - and maybe even the rest of the week over time...
Thennek Invercargill
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_______________ Kia ora Invers - be nice Invercargill person _______________ I'm not sure how having our towns mayor on the board of trustees will change anything - will probably look even more backward to out of towners. Bees aroun the honey-pot? Gary not an out of towner _______________ I was under the impression that this site was conducting a survey, with a view to conducting an official poll to decide whether or not we continue with the ILT. Instead of this, it is becoming a platform to try and elect certain people on to the board of the ILT. A bit presumptuous, given the fact that the ILT may not even exist in the future. In any case, it ought to be illegal for people to serve on both the ICC and the ILT, it would be called double dipping in most civilised countries. An obvious conflict of interest, by any standards. I really don't know what you people see in this man, Tim Shadbolt. At best, he is a comedian. I think that you just want to have a laugh, when in fact he is the only one having a laugh, all the way to the bank, and he will be laughing all the more if he were to get elected to the ILT. I think that Invercargill people just want a security blanket, or a dummy. You can not see beyond the ILT's nanny state, but trust me, the is life after the ILT. It were to be done away tomorrow, within a few weeks you will wonder why you lived under its rule for so many years. Before it is too late, get a poll organised and let's us get rid of the ILT once and for all. Cheers John _______________ Mayor Tim Please please please will you listen to us and give us booze in supermarkets. Look at the evidence. ask any1 its wot we want. Sandy downtown invers _______________ Celestial bodies revolve and the ILT stays the same. Welcome to Invers Tom Kildare _______________ Nightmare on north rd- the sequel Gill - Invrcargill _______________ If we can get the mayor to do with the trust what he has with the town we will be rockin Len - - - Heidelberg ------------------------- We need the Mayor to direct things with honour and integrity. Make it happen invercargill Sally, Invervegas ------------------------- I dont think the ILT are a good idea anymore Maybe they used to be, now the town has moved on, and so should the trst Ken Gladstone ------------------------- Mr Shadbolt will be the best of a bad bunch. Is that saying anything? Gemma Invercargill ------------------------- Mayor Tim gets my vote! Absolutely! Need some honesty and integrity Helen, Invercargill ------------------------- Immensely satisfying to see the rats scurrying - good stuff ILTsurvey Karen Invercargill ------------------------- This isnt the place for a free for all election name withheld invers ------------------------- When it comes to Tim Shadbolt, I prefer to laugh at him, rather than with him. As to whether I would vote for his as mayor next time round, my answer is a resounding NO. If I want to listen to a stand up comedian, I will go to the theatre, no need for me to pay his wages. Over and over again, we don't need the ILT, and we don't need Tim Shadbolt Cheers John ------------------------- Im not sure the mayor is who we need on the Board - Im afraid he may be more of the same - the old boys network. Nigel Invercargill ------------------------- Great to see this survey is still driving change. Some honesty and integrity. June Invers ------------------------- Mayor Tim for King Name withheld Kew ------------------------- I would wholeheartedly support the election of Mr Shadbolt onto the ILT Trust Board. Makes sense and about time. Be Chairman! Meet more of the real people. Jemma, Invers ------------------------- Interesting times Mayor Tim Gofor it! cant be any worse than we already have! Will raise the profile of the Trust if only to facilitate its demise... What we need Kevin North Invers ------------------------- I would be interested to see what the town thinks of Mayor Shadbolt having a seat on the board of the Invercargill Licensing Trust. Tim Invercargill ------------------------- Who is sponsoring this site? - We want to know Lee-Ann Invercargill ------------------------- I think that for historical reasons alone it would be a shame for the trust boys not to sort out their act. Alec South City ------------------------- When are nxt Trust board elections? Lets see what they have to say then. Tommy Invercargill for ever. ------------------------- The Trust is just a sweet lttl organisation doin good for the town - think again. We seen some very shady stuff going on when i was working there, they use all the powers they got to have their way. If it aint their way it aint going to happen. Simple Simon Invers ------------------------- To those who say that the ILT creates jobs, they overlook the fact that private enterprise would also create jobs if they were allowed to flourish, and not stifled by Invercargill's nanny state. Besides, who wants to be a barman or a waitress for the rest of their working lives. Cheers John ------------------------- Weve been getting our hands grubby looking under rocks at local activities for a few weeks now and you would be surprised who we have found lurking underneath. Keep watching this space. It would also seem that we're not the only ones interested on what goes on behind the Trust doors. Will keep you informed. 'secret mole investigators with fingers in pies' Gladstone Invercargill ------------------------- Forget the Trust responding, its been months now and all they do is winge and moan in the media. I am embarrassed but they are becoming a liability to the town. Leo, Invercargill ------------------------- When do we get some response from the Trust? I keep asking... Allan, Invercargill ------------------------- This site makes me spew. You are benefitting from others misfortunes? What about all the jobs that will be lost? Big guys well done. Invercargill will be a worse place without the Trust you will see. Ian, Invercargill ------------------------- Yep the Speights Ale house in Chch won an award for best refurbishment. Taylor Kew ------------------------- At last we get music in town! Does the Trust have anything to do with it? Citizen 2 Invercargill ------------------------- Theres a Speights Ale house in Christchurch isnt there? Brian Otatara ------------------------- Stop being such d*ckheads with this site and give it up you losers. Kevin Invercargill ------------------------- Interesting and altogether more humble piece from Mark Winters of the Trust in the Express this week. Almost heartening. Gary, Invercargill ------------------------- It is such a shame that the situation is coming to this where the ILT drive themselves from popularity with their ignorance. The opportunity for making the town a special place is huge and we just dont seem to be able to take advantage of it. Now the opposition have got their hooks into this site we can only expect the pressure to grow.I have been reading this survey and comments from the outset - I have voted that the Trust should stay but does need changed - some strong questions asked of the management - probably replaced. The Trust need to put an end to this NOW - use this survey to learn from, make the changes we are asking for and lets turn this town around. Is there no positive innovation in this town at all? JIm, Invercargill ------------------------- Still more doom and gloom forecast for the Trust. What are they going to do about it? Pay less. Whay dont we get a good return? Come on Trust act like real people. Helen Invercargill ------------------------- Site starting to look a little flash now - nice one. Tania Otatara ------------------------- Yeah I been watching media for last few months and still the Trust doesn't learn - they still put the message across that they know best and to let them get on with it. this has worked for them in the past, but its a shame that they havent read the comments on this site. 'Rob" Invers ------------------------- Glad to see the sites future is assured. Keep the pressure on. Kim Invers ------------------------- A man presented himself at the A and E Department of Dunedin hospital. He said, "Doctor every time I prod myself with my finger I am in great pain". The Doctor said, "Ok well touch your forehead".. The main let out a scream of pain. The doctor repeated this procedure, asking the man prod various parts of his body. Finally, the doctor said, "You are from Invercargill, aren't you?" The man replies, "How can you tell" The doctor said, "I have just diagnosed a broken finger". Cheers John ------------------------- Congratulations on getting sponsorship to keep the site going, we would be interested to see who is providing the sponsorship. Is it from out of town? Jess. Kew ------------------------- My family has lived in Southland for a few generations, and its only recently we have started asking questions about the Trust and its activities in the town. My dad wont hear anything bad about them, he thinks that this site should be shut down and is just troublemaking. Maybe so, maybe not. We have known people who have tried to set up pubs in town and found it just too hard. There is stuff that happens -sometimes sinister- - right back to the Trusts connections n Wellington who they use to protect themselves. But why? Why do they so want to stifle new stuff? What are they afraid of. If new companies are allowed to compete on a level playing field (and its not) then they sink or swim. I had heard about this site but never actually looked at it until last night. It seems it is for real, and the makers are to be congratulated - you are brave people doing this in this town! We think that the place is run by oldies with hands in each others pockets. The only reason that they can have for being so defensive is that they have stuff to hide. We are going to investigate what it is, and will post back here anything we find. 'secret mole investigators with fingers in pies' Gladstone Invercargill ------------------------- A day without Trust in the papers is like a day without rain - and we get both! Casey, Invercargill ------------------------- *************enjoy this Websurvey? There are more! Its part of the New Zealand WebSurvey Organisation - visit New WebSurveys™ Site**************** ------------------------- And if being above the law isnt enough, Greg Mulvey today tells us that our towns pubs are cool. Well maybe, but thats not what we think. Cliff, Invercargill ------------------------- Cumon pplz stop moaning and act - move away to Dun hehehehehe Gerry, Invercargill ------------------------- Not only are they gods unto themselves - Its official - the ILT are above the law. Even though they lie about their behaviour, the laws are wrong. Yeah ok, woteva. Cliff, Invercargill -------------------------
------------------------- Have the Trust been conducting themselves any differently recently? I dont know. What has happened has been that this site has made it possible for people to actually get a feel for what the townspeople (or some of them) think about city entertainment and the Trust in general. As a consequence, the lid has come off of the wormpot so to speakk and the bugs have been squirming underneath. And Im not sure i like what i see. So they maybe havent been behaving differently, just we get to see what it is, and thats a good thing. Thye have such a terrible attitude towards us all and the way they operate. I agree that the chairman has been behaving disgracefully and no longer represents my feelings. Its like leave us alone we know best. Not a nice thing and has no place in our town anymore. They must go and need to take steps to step down forthwith. Graham, Invercargill ------------------------- When the Trust finally relinquishes its hold on the town - and it is becoming more and more inevitable - this survey and the people who have spoken up can stand up and say that they were the catalysts for the revolution the town so desperately needed. Well done Talking Shop and well done people of Invercargill! I am proud to be part of this and endorse it in every way. George, Heidelberg Invercargill ------------------------- What has been the ILT's response to their being caught out so many times in the last few months? I see nothing, just telling us to behave and it will all be all right. No thanks. We cant leave it in your hands, you are no longer worthy of our town. Allan, Invercargill ------------------------- Need a beer at night? Cant go to the bottle stores cos they shut. Dress in a clown outfit and stagger to an ILT pub as drunk as you can. Nobody will notice you are there, they will serve you, then lie about it. Thats the Trust for you. Safer drinking places? Its in their mandate but no. and guess what - I used to work for them. Name withheld - Trust, you know who I am. Invercargill ------------------------- Positivity? - What about all the positivity you ILT boys have stifled over the years? Oh come on, the networks run deep and wide, and if it effects anyone in the Trusts networks back pockets adversely it just wont be allowed to happen. if it does happen it soon gets shafted. tell us about kiwi legends? Anyone who disagrees is considered opposition. Like someone said earlier in a great submission - this Trust is looking more and more like South Africa did in the apartheid years. Graeme Invercargill ------------------------- ILT we dont want your 'help' anymore. We want someone who can add value to the town, not embarrass us publicly. If you really cared you would let the town get on with it. Theresa, Invercargill ------------------------- Yeah sure Alan Dennis - we are ready for something positive whenever you are, dude. Just dont be a jerk eh? ppppfffffffftt. ------------------------- Alan Dennis in the Express - gee this guy is a bit rude. Sure waffle on about negativity. The word the region wants to here is 'sorry'. Taylor Invercargill ------------------------- Ok, for the time being, forget about the ILT, forget about nightclubs, forget about buying booze in supermarkets, let us have a look at the big picture. Surely you must acknowledge that to assert that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong, is into the advanced stages of madness, ever surpassing that of wanting to live in a closed community. Cheers John ------------------------- Still no constructive suggestions to justify the Trusts existence. Not one. So what now? Steff. Invers ------------------------- How many entrepreneurs have been stymied by the Trust over the years? I would really like hear submissions from those who feel they have had short shrift from the Trust. "Ira" Invercargill ------------------------- SMoke and rhetoric wont help this cause - real action needs to b takn. GD Richmond ------------------------- just a reminder to any newbies - check out some of the old messages from when the survey started - its all good stuff! Greg Invercargill ------------------------- Hey, what's this. I thought the idea behind this website was to cobble together enough support to fore a referendum as to whether we continue with the ILT or not. Instead, we seem be turning things around, to use the site as a vehicle to call for nominations for the next ILT board. This is not what we want, what we want is to get rid of the ILT altogether. We do not wish to be part of a nanny state where all clubs and societies are reduced to being beneficiaries of the ILT. Trust me, there IS life after the ILT, if only you can tear yourselves away from your cosy closed community and see things from a different perspective. Come on !! I thought that Kiwis were free thinking individuals, not a flock of sheep as described by George Bernard Shaw, Cheers John ------------------------- the trust giveth and the trust taketh away. Ingill person 'a' ------------------------- more suggestions for trust board - ask some of the people who tried to start a booze business here in town and werent allowed to or closed down over time by the ILT. They will know the real s**t "Jimmy" invervegas ------------------------- Theres too much for the Trust ppl 2 lose by giving up their positions. They will fight to the last. Even if it hurts the town to death. its tragic Jo, Kew ------------------------- There are more important things in the world than the ILT. The ILT is much more important to the region than it should be. Still here still hoping Casey, Invercargill ------------------------- Yadda Yadda - just talk talk talk name withheld -------------------------- Amazed to see this site still going strong as ever - in fact it looks like its growing! Great stuff - freedom of speech Bob, Invercargill -------------------------- The Trust is supposed to do our bidding and be our representatives. Why aren't they listening to us? William, Gladstone -------------------------- The media manager must be having a hard time at th ILT. I see they have gone a bit silent these last few days. Spin spin. And we pay for this. Kev Invercargill -------------------------- I second the call for Trust board nominations here on this site Ver, Invercargill -------------------------- My colleagues and I have noted that the publisher of this site has not made their thoughts on the Trust public. :-) We can understand that you dont want to bias the survey or indicate prejudice, but give us some hints! In the newspaper you stated that 'the survey results had changed your opinion on the Trust' Well, what is your opinion now? "Ira", working in professional services, in Invercargill -------------------------- John - lets publish all the comments- if they want to withhold their names its the Trusts problem - that it the sort of message they give out and the way the town feels. Steff Invers -------------------------- Wendy i think you have put into words what alot of people in Invercargill are thinking, and the realisation that the I.L.T actually does not care what the Invercargill people think by their blatent dis regard of what people have asked for in their own survey speaks volumes about what their organisation is really about. And John, patience is a virtue and good things come to those who wait my friend. Ive no doubt that in the beggining the I.L.T started out with great ideals and intentions and lost sight of them when the importance shifted from: People to Profits after 6o years i can maybe wait a wee bit longer, but when it comes it will be a welcomed sight and a benefit to all. Regards Livi - InverZ -------------------------- Keep it going town! Lenny Grasmere -------------------------- I propose, that from now on we do not publish any more comments from those who want their names withheld. By doing so you are only encouraging a culture of fear and blackmail. If the ILT want to stifle free speech an initiative, we don't want to be part of it. To those who want their names withheld, what are you afraid of ? You will thank us in the end for doing away with your cosy little closed community. Come out into the real world, wake up and smell the coffee. Cheers John -------------------------- when are the next trust elections? Anybody know? There is someone I want to nominate. Please put nomination list here in the survey, talking shop ppls. Jen, Kildare -------------------------- Nanny state nanny state - Nanny provice Southland. Come on ppls! We gotta move on. Simon SITStudent -------------------------- I work Trust and they are cool man. Pay us loads and keep us sweet. Maybe you guys should just get jobs here. "John Doe" Invercargill -------------------------- It truly galls me to see the ILT on the front page lording it with their big hearted donation of our money to help kids learn to swim. I think next they should open homes for the poor and care for the mentally ill. Then we as a nation can all just go to sleep, drink our booze and elect ILT as government. It is starting to sicken me so much I am thinking about moving out of the town myself. Leanne. Invercargill -------------------------- Why is there nothing happening from the Trust about this survey? I am going to write to our MP because they should have acted by now. George Y, Invercargill -------------------------- I previously voted for change but didnt comment. Maybe it will help if i make coment here. ILT need a huge kick up the bum and the least they could do would be to admit it. June Invers -------------------------- To JM and others, you have all missed the point. It is not about improving the ILT or getting younger members elected to the board, it is about stepping outside the square and doing away with the ILT altogether. We neither want nor need to be part of a nanny state, where all initiative is stifled, clubs and societies are reduced to being beneficiaries, etc. I have covered this all before, please take the time to read earlier comments by me and others. I am perfectly capable of deciding where and when I want to buy a bottle of wine, I do not need a bunch of overpaid beauraucrats to tell me how to run my life. I would like to see a debate on local TV, but I fear that there are too many pockets being pissed in. The local newspaper likewise has opted not to publish any information regarding this website. I say over and over again, why do you want to live in a closed society, and also if you do what you have always done, you will get what you have always got. In the short tem there is something we can all do and that is to buy our booze outside the ILT area, and if you go out of an evening, stay away from the ILT's establishments that cater predominately for immature adolescents. Also keep up the letter writing campaign to newspapers and TV stations other than those dominated by the ILT. The truth will come our in the end. Believe in this: THERE IS LIFE AFTER THE ILT. Cheers John -------------------------- This site is an increasingly powerful way of getting many of the towns members feelings across. I am surprised that there isnt more support for the Trusts activities - even from the Trust themselves?I ask the publisher, have they never formally responded here on this site? Dave, Otatara -------------------------- Get a life you manus. Name withheld, Invercargill -------------------------- Tested the other day, and can see now that this site is not some sort of hoax - sent my submission in and sure enough there it was showing up as I sent it. I would urge anyone unsure of using this site to give it a try. I was unsure. Voting by using the copy and paste thing is a little clumsy but it does work. There has been no spam or anything like that, just an email confirming the server had updated and my quote was there verbatim.
Now down to business. John you are annoying but the questions you ask are simple for example what effort do the Trust make? Difficult to answer. Theres lost of ways to spend the towns money. Sure, my wife could do it easily. If the Trust spent as much time and effort ensuring a decent return on our money as they do telling us how lucky we are to have them we would do well. I was definitely in the category of thinking the Trust was the best thing to sliced bread, but in the last few years since visiting other towns have wondered what it is that we are missing here. Theres no soul to any of the pubs or bars. Nothing special. All so formulaic. This is what the Trust do - why cant they be good at it. They are not. The pubs are largely shockers. The town is beset by drunkeness and they are needing to take responsibility for this. Where will the town be in ten years? Another ten years of Trust domination and we are screwed. We owe it to our kids to make an effort now for change. Keep the pressure up - they are already behaving like people under extreme pressure - pressure they have brought on themselves. I bet they will blame this site for their demise, but it is just the voice of the people and they wont listen. Thats their problem. The ILT is ours.
JM, Invercargill -------------------------- I have watched this site everyday since it started in the vain hope that there will be some compelling argument for keeping the status quo, as for many of us long term Southlanders the thought of change is not always easy. Reading this survey avidly I have still found no real strong reason for keeping the ILT the way it is here in our town. Not only has Invercargill changed already - whether we like it or not things will continue to change - at a faster pace than before. We have been and are being left behind.
We need to make a stand.
My disappointment with the Trust and their behaviour is immense. I was a staunch supporter - obviously to the point of being irrational about it. For what? They don't seem to value us or our towns requirements. There is a 'we know best despite what you are all saying' kind of arrogance which is very surprising. Now they are taken to insulting the visitors to the town in a fashion frankly unacceptable to me or my friends. What will be their response? What has it been so far? Arrogance. And an ignorance which will, I hope, be there downfall. I offer my complete support to this survey and will assist with any petition to the best of my ability.
We will prove that they cannot just buy everyone off - the Petition signing pen is stronger than the chequebook. "Southland Man" Invercargill --------------------------- Can we have some more suggestions for trust board membership, can we make it another survey thingy? Thats sure to please the ILTeven more. Glad we get to tell them how we feel. Bet they read this site before the Times everymorning! Casey, Invercargill long time reader and poster on site --------------------------- Wayne Brown? Shocking sorry Wayne. The Trust are being much ruder to us the people in the way they behave - ILT Velodrome - HUH? How dare they! Ignoring our request for a formal petition : "go away and leave our noses in the trough"! Doing so badly at making the town money- let someone else do it like the community trust did. You are an embarrassment and must go NOW!!! Leo, Invercargill -------------------------- Jan I reckon the people who did this survey should also get a pop at being on the trust board - talk about entrepreneurship and initiative. The guy that runs the show in an Otatara businessman called Shane from checking out their website. I bet they hate him! Its the sort of thing we need here - a good raaaak up. Tom, Heidel. Invercargill ---------------------------- Nice one Jan. I will see who i can contact to sidestep the Times and expose their membership of the brotherhood. "cedric" Central city. --------------------------- I vote for ILT gone. Bring it on. Ian Gladstone --------------------------- Staying special is what we like about Southland and Invercargill - I want to keep it special but will happily vote for a change at Trust - this is stifling and would be better with them gone. Kes, Invers --------------------------- What a cool cool site - will make a proepr submission when i get home JM, Invercargill --------------------------- To Jan, you have missed the point. It is not about wanting to replace the existing ILT board with younger members, it is about getting rid of the ILT altogether. We neither want nor need a nanny state to tell us how to run our lives. We want clubs and organisations to take responsibility for their own destinies and not be beneficiaries of the ILT. We want to get out of our state of lassitude, roll up our sleeves and DO something for ourselves. We want freedom of choice as to where and when we buy a bottle of wine, We don't want booze barns with large screen TV's permanently tuned into the rugby channel, we don't want loud music only suitable for adolescents. We want to live in a "normal" society, not a narrow minded closed society. Have you not been reading the chain of comments. Cheers John --------------------------- Good
site and good on everyone who has had the guts to speak
up about the ILT both online and at the Forum!
I also
agree (and challenge everyone) to contact media from outside
the
region so we can get some decent and fair media coverage about the
issues raised - I think even Rove in Australia would
like to
hear about this! --------------------------- The Trust exist to make invers a better place. That is surely their reason for being. Vic Invercargill
--------------------------- just a reminder of the ability to challenge the status quo with the trust, have a look at this site which is a government report: http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/1997/liquor/licensing.html It shows where referendums were held in four places in NZ, only three kept the Trust. We can do it! Keep telling your friends! Jim B, Windsor --------------------------- I hope that the Southland Times had permission to use (my) quote from this survey - it was a little rude to not even properly acknowledge the source. They should at least have given the website address. They want to have their cake and eat it - happy to take sides with whoever will sell their papers most...without losing advertising revenue from ILT. Rob, Invers --------------------------- I am disappointed that the petition hasn't happened - still waiting to sign my name! 'tulula' Invers --------------------------- ILT Velodrome - what an insult! Reading that here made it dawn on me just what sheep we really are. How can anything in this down be called 'ILT'? It is ours and us! Having said that, i then drew the conclusion that all the things they are doing so badly is also our responsibility. They are using our money and it is supposed to be our Trust. Well judging by the comments here many of us no longer want it.
This needs fixing with that referendum quickly. Joyce, Kew. --------------------------- Damn, a day without a grumble about the Trust in the letters page of the Times. They <nearly> even published the address of this website! Des Invercargill --------------------------- In reply to Vic, can he please tell us what "effort" he is referring to when he says, "At least the ILT are making an effort". Cheers John --------------------------- I think the pressure is starting to hurt the Mafia - sorry - I mean ILT. Lets keep it up its working! Jane, Invercargill --------------------------- Not much point in my going any further with outlining of the issues one at a time. I was expecting some feedback by now, either positive or negative. This merely confirms what I have believed all along, that is the general population of Invercargill are apathetic. This is the result of lapsing into a state of lassitude, brought on by years of being beneficiaries of the ILT. I say once again, if you do what you have always done, you will get what you have always got. Cheers John --------------------------- I had disagreed with the principles of this website so far and have declined to comment. It has seemed to me to be mischevous meddling and profiteering. Maybe not so. However, I am very disappointed with the Trusts performance in recent weeks.
1. Calling anyone an ignorant jerk is not particularly clever, but the President of the ILT saying it to an invited guest that it then gets published is unforgivable. Step down, forthwith. 2. Undoubtedly the staff at the Northern (and by association ALL the ILT joints) are behaving in a way that effects the whole town. Bring em in wobbly, serve em, keep em there, lie, and then tell everybody how good your policy is every time it doesnt work. Trouble is, everyone has had a gutsfull of this sort of drinking behaviour in the town - the police, the nurses at a&e and the community in general. But the ILT are the main providers of drinking places in the town and now are absolutely responsible. Those staff say they have had 'basic training' and the ILT say they are well trained. Just not good enough. 3. The ILT's own survey results showed differences in the thoughts of the Trust and the public. Did it make any difference to their policy? No. They will just keep on doing what they want. Why waste our money on badly designed surveys anyway. I think I can now see what the fuss of this site is all about. We need change. "Wendy" Invercargill --------------------------- Well now you know where to go if you are p**sed and need a drink (even in funny clothes so they cant spot you) - ILT pubs! The reason they sell booze like this is cos all the ILT only bottle stores closed hours ago and you are screwed. Welcome to Invercargill. Bring back those banjos! Sarah T, Waikiwi --------------------------- Gee its hard to support the Trust at the moment. Sure you can flame me thats cool. I have done my best to support the principles of the Trust but they sure make it hard. I have changed all my votes from positive to negative, and want a proper petition to send em packing. I bay for blood - new blood! "Gordo" ex ILT supporter , invers --------------------------- Hey dont worry that you cant buy beer because the bottle stores have closed, just roll into an ILT pub in your jammies and you are away! Maybe thats why they close them so early? I bet they make more money per glass than per sixpack. Best to turn up intoxicated, cos then they will make you stay! saves ripping through the town smashing things up! GO ILT! Name withheld. Invercargill --------------------------- Number 3 Are you happy about the fact that you can not buy a bottle or two of wine or a six pack of beer when you buy your groceries at the local supermarket, as in any civilized country in the world. Instead you have to buy your liquor at a small number of booze barn liquor stores run by the ILT. Not only do you pay higher prices that at the supermarket, but they padlock the place shut at 7 pm, or thereabouts. What
use is that to anyone. Cheers John --------------------------- Found this site, made my labour weekend Marty, Invers --------------------------- Stop whinging about things in the town and get off your butts. The Trust at least make an effort. Vic, Invercargill --------------------------- Number 2 If you are in favour of a chartable trust to create a nanny state, are you also in favour of that trust being a monopoly which stifles local business, and kills off any initiative for local groups to go out and earn their own funding.. Cheers John --------------------------- Searched for 'ILT issues' on google and hey - how cool is this site. Never heard of Talking Shop but i have now. great stuff. We need more entrepreneurs like this here in Invercargill, and more people outside the square like Wayne Brown. Good luck selling the site, Shane, you deserve a small fortune for the good work you have done setting a fire under the Trusts a**. Seeing how they behave now is a sign of pressure. But, now you know what happens if you mess with the trust, they call you names and get personal. real professional, thanks for the great representation, as ever we can rely on the ILT. Theres just no humility in the Trust, they are so arrogant and self supportive. And please, the pubs and nightlife suck. Decent meal - go to Ziffs in Otatara. Always good, great service and consistent meals. Affordable. Want pie and chips and a DB beer, pick ILT?! Any of them. Decent coffee? Starbucks or Zookeepers. Food good at Zooeys too.
'John', you are boring, repetitive, and right. Completely right. Damn it. We are so very complacent and cap in hand. This region needs to get up and stand up. If we are driving young people away, and seems like we are are, then lets hand over the reigns a little. I dont have time to go on right now, but i am now an avid reader, and will be putting the message about. 'Rob" Invers --------------------------- Wayne Brown you are a star. Thank you and I apologise for the behaviour of our ILT people, they do not represent our feelings. Not for some time. The world moved on and we are grateful that you were served the trust - how waaay out of line they are. DO the Trust really beleive in the things they do or are they ambivalent, ignorant or 'in the trough' as ppl here have sed? at least its official! Front page! i smell roses and coffee ILT, and so should you! This survey is definitely paying off - so glad you kept it running - it cant have been easy! Jez, Invers --------------------------- A friend put me on to this site while we were at an ILT pub muddle in town. Just awesome that we can actually have a say and see that there are heaps of people who feel the same way i do, and my mates. Please Invercargill, wake up, these leeches are bleeding us dry, abusing us and now even the visitors to the region. We need something different to the Trust and need it soon. Why dont they give us beer at the supermarkets if its clear so many people want it? What are they afraid of? What a joker this Alan Dennis is behaving like that? Its clear what they think of competition or views different to theirs! Abuse them. Run them out of town! Thank you Wayne Brown and Thank you Talking shop, we need more of this kind of thing! Sol, Kew --------------------------- Maybe at last we will get some comment, movement or justice from the Trust. How embarrasing for us that the president of the Trust talks to people like that. Shameful and i want no part of it. Please respond ILT, you are embarrassing us with your behaviour. Nigel, Invercargill --------------------------- Just takes someone from outside the region to say the obvious! We have been saying it for months now, we want ILT routed! Toddy, Invercargill --------------------------- Invers needs a change! Clear out the parasites! So after all we are not wrong, well done forum and talking shop! Pleased to see that finally there is a challenge to the status quo at the forums debate last week. Still no coverage here from Times. Charlie, Invercargill --------------------------- I am shocked and appalled by the events at the past and futures forum the other day. Why did those things have to be said by an outsider, why don't we have the gall to say what has to be said? Its clear that lots of us feel this way, but are we all, as John says, a bunch of sheep and lapdogs? I was so excited to find this forum when searching google for ILT things - here it is - plain as day! There are heaps ou there who think the same as me, that the ILT are terrible stifle on the town. Will write more soon when time. Darren, Invercargill --------------------------- Mr Wayne Brown from Northland, as you can see from this survey, you are not alone in your feelings, thanks for the shake-up. Not all of us are in the back pocket of the trust, and some of us even wish to move into the 90's and maybe beyond. Steve F, Invercargill --------------------------- When will this referendum happen - we are still waiting...Its got to, its our only hope to wake the trust up.. Ken, Invercargill --------------------------- This survey should approach Campbell live. Its just juicy how the Times has let this lie, and that makes as good news as this survey. Judith, Born n bred Invercargill --------------------------- I see apathy here. Name withheld Invercargill --------------------------- Good point John. I am guessing that organisations have become very good at building the realtionships witht the mothership that they need. It feels as if the towns propped up by the handouts and ppl are afraid to see if it can stand on its own feet. Bob, Invercargill --------------------------- Just dealing with the issues one at time. Number 1. Why do you feel the need to be a beneficiary of the ILT, rather than go out and earn your own funds Cheers John --------------------------- Watch this little story unfold every day, and remain surprised that there is no newspaper coverage of this survey, its a pretty big deal. Just need to say that this page is so big it takes a while to download on my dialup line FYI. H.T. North Invers --------------------------- We like the delivery time of the ILT, but find their prices too high to make a reasonable profit on it. Local restaurateur, name withheld. --------------------------- I bet countdown and paknsave love this site! Everyone wants booze in the supermarkets except the ILT! Go iltsurvey! 'Kerry" Invercargill South. --------------------------- Lets keep the pressure on and keep spreading the word to the town. Tony, Gladstone --------------------------- Either Trust and board don't care about this survey or they don't believe it matters? Gary, Invercargill --------------------------- Just having another look through the comments to see what arguments the pro Trust people are putting up. Not a lot. One thing they say is that the ILT puts back into the community the profits it makes from poker machines, and to this end has applied for an exemption from recent government regulations to limit the number of these machines. So much for being a responsible organisation to combat gabling addiction. What they don't tell you is that in areas without a licensing trust, it is compulsory for the profits from gaming machines to go back to the community, anyway. So much for their argument that they are well meaning philanthropists. Why, therefore do we need the ILT to stifle private enterprise and create a nanny state, where everyone has been reduced to a state of lassitude, brought on by being beneficiaries of the ILT for too many years. Once again I say, move away from your little closed community, and get rid of these parasites once and for all. I assure you, there is life after the ILT, so wake up and smell the coffee. Cheers John --------------------------- Where is the control on the Trust activities? The idea about a watchdog and consumer group is a good one. The performance, no matter how much they trumpet on about it, is poor. Take out revenue from gambling and what have you got? Shocker. Its a typical Southland old boys network of mutual appreciation. Why are we so afraid of change? Will it mean Invers might have to stand on its own crooked feet? Gee lets get some dignity. Lets rename this survey www.iltparasiteaway.co.nz Proud Southlander forever --------------------------- The ILT are laughing at you, iNvercargill. What notice have they taken of this survey? One poxey online survey which makes no sense - a token gesture. Kick em out and make em do some real work in the real world. Gloria, SIT stoodent. --------------------------- Theres some intelligent (and not so intelligent) arguments for and against the Licensing Trust here on this site. If the ILT arent learning from this site they need their heads looking at. Although it seems clear they dont like it I bet they are thanking their lucky stars that they get to see the real view about them and how they operate. Its a shame that they are such pig headed headinthesand old fogeys when it comes to how they run the hospitality in town. With any luck they will catch up & make it look like it should have 10 years ago. Move on Invers, puhleez. Why do we have to go to Dun or QT for a decent time? As John says, if you always do. Tess, Waikiwi --------------------------- Found this site thru invervegas.co.nz - we need more sites like this - my vote made for change, blossoms. Fi, Invers --------------------------- What kind of signal does this site send to people from out of town? We look like a bunch of whinging do-nothings. The sooner this petition takes place the better for the town - lets clear out these parasites and bring in the 21st Century. Amen Steve F, Invercargill --------------------------- It's time you people realised that the Trust are above such blatant trouble mongering and are far more interested in doing the job for the town - stop sidetracking them and the issues. Len, Invercargill --------------------------- I was trying to find the ILT's survey in google and found this site also. I was reluctant to do their survey as it isnt clear hwo to do it. This site is wonderfully misciveious. Why not do their survey for them here? Thomas, Glenfield --------------------------- With the gambling fiasco, poor returns expected and drinking violence in the town it looks like the whole ILT could do with a shake up. Tony, Avenal area. --------------------------- This is good 'fair go' fodder Ed, Invercargill --------------------------- Just to pick up on a few comments made by John D. I am not opposed to a charitable trust as such, what I am opposed to is the setting up of a monopoly which stifles local business initiative, purely to create a nanny state. I
believe that the ILT could still run as a charitable trust but be
compelled to compete on a level playing field with normal business
activities. We would then be able to buy liquor in supermarkets, but
the ILT would still have its own outlets. If they have the support that
they claim they have, their supporters would still support them. But
that is not what they want, they want to be greedy and have the entire
market to themselves. Able bodied sports groups should get the chop, for a start. The government had no problem in compelling Telecom to operate in competition with other communication providers. The same argument applies to the ILT. As for the ILT promoting drinking in moderation, don't make me laugh. Just tale a look at the adolescent drunken behaviour on the streets on a Friday and Saturday night. It is naive to suggest the ILT's culture could be changed from within. We need to step outside the square and give up wanting to be beneficiaries of the ILT. In more civilized counties the so called pubs are getting more like cafes and the cafes are getting more like pubs. I would like to get away from the booze barn type of establishment, complete with large screen TV permanently tuned in to the rugby channel. I envisage smaller bars or cafes, whatever you like to call them, and more of them. Some decent food other than battered cod, chips, and coleslaw, which is about the entire repertoire of the chefs employed by the ILT. Some decent light background music which doesn't drown out normal conversation. The ILT wants to promote loud music, only suitable for adolescents, which has the potential to cause industrial deafness. Once again I say, wake up, Move away from your little closed community. Think of alternatives. Come on, let's get rid of these parasites once and for all. Cheers John --------------------------- I would propose a few developments from this site and survey. A watchdog like a shareholder activist group which monitors and applies pressure on the trust to deliver fiscal targets. Secondly supporting a general education of the regions citizens advising on the Trust and its mandate. Thirdly, continued monitoring of the publics perception and hospitality requirements, so that the trust can maintain direction in line with the towns needs. Something like this site I guess. The alternative is petition to chuck em out. You would think that the trust would do this themselves or that it would be a function of its own board, but clearly this is not happening. Why would they? trough trough trough. Bob, Invercargill --------------------------- I have been following the progress of the survey with interest and would like to make a few suggestions, please correct me on any facts I get wrong as I have not researched the topic. From what I can see a referendum would require 15% of the (adult) population of Invercargill to request a referendum. This is a lot of signatures. If a referendum was called the ILT would campaign strongly to maintain their position. The ILT position: 1)The ILT is viewed as a Southland Institution, any criticism of the ILT may be seen as a criticism of Southland. 2)The majority of the population has little interest in bars, alcohol or freedom of choice and see the ILT as of being of benefit to the majority of the population. And will not give the topic further consideration. 3)The organisations that benefit most from ILT funding are well organised, well connected and politically aware. They will be able to form a strong lobby group to campaign for the ILT. The way forward, as many of the contributors to the survey have rightly stated, is not to get rid of the ILT but to encourage them to change. Weakness in the ILT is their poor business performance and reliance on gambling as a source of income (an area that many people feel is intrinsically wrong). Many people would also be uncomfortable with the allocation of funds, if it is pointed out that health, education and social development are secondary to sports and especially sport organisations that encourages alcohol consumption. We should also look at the ILT in its historic perspective. The original trustees (and I hope the present ones) were keen that the trust promoted alcohol consumption in moderation and the profits from its consumption were returned to the areas of the community that provided an alternative to drinking. Personally I have mixed feelings about the ILT, I believe the ILT is of benefit to the community but the people who are benefiting most are not representative of the the cultural, socioeconomic groups that are contributing to the ILT funds. Perhaps the way forward is to get people onto the ILT board by campaigning on the points highlighted above. Also are board members aware of this site. ILT management are after all accountable to the Board who all appear to be sensible people. I hope this is of some value. Am happy to have an informal chat sometime but am reluctant to get actively involved at present. Please feel free to include this on the comments page but I would prefer that my name was not attached. Regards John D, Invercargill --------------------------- Apathetic to the last, Invercargill - if you always do - yadda yadda withheld Invers --------------------------- Thanks for this site - have been looking long and this is my first post.
How about this... This is the sound of the ILT's interest in the publics views:
Did you hear it? Me neither. I wonder why they don't want to listen? Maybe they are afraid of what they wil hear. you can see by there own survey that the efforts are token. Why do we put up with it? Smithy, Invercargill --------------------------- To Vanessa, there is nothing stopping the ILT form submitting their views on this website, it is a free country after all. Or is it ?? I don't know of any country in the world that sets up a monopoly with the sole purpose of stifling private initiative purely to set up a nanny state and therefore make the general population beneficiaries of this nanny state. I think most ILT supporters have missed the point anyway. It not about buying booze in supermarkets, it is not about night clubs, it is all about our basic freedom of choice. Why do Invercargillites even want to live in a closed society, it beats me. Cheers John --------------------------- John, your points, while a little repetitive, make worryingly good sense. I have travelled well but never seen another type of legislated monopoly or lack of democracy outside of Pinochets Chile. Whats up Invercargill - why dont you act? Why doesnt the Trust initiate a referendum immediately?! How disdainful of the people who feed it! There are a few avenues open to me to initiate change and I will quietly test the water. Dont go away! Name withheld, Invercargill --------------------------- I have a colleague close to the ILT and they confirm that the Trust look at this site all the time! They definitely read it! Will they take any notice though? Surely they have to. Lets make sure this doesnt go away guys - keep the pressure on. Talking Shop, have they been in touch with you? Must be curdling their cream to be challenged. Name withheld, Waikiwi Invers --------------------------- I make a point of supporting non ILT places Kerry, Invercargill --------------------------- Huh whats the 'porkies' post about? Sid, Invers --------------------------- Yet again this: "Mulvey" character is caught telling porkies in the paper, except this time its about I.L.T's Disdain/Promotion on:Gambling in Invercargill - Good on ya Reg Baxter. And: Go, the:" 75-Hundy " Livi - InverZ --------------------------- Yes it would be interesting to have Trust response to some of the questions raised. Ken, Invercargill --------------------------- Just as a matter of interest, there must be a number of people out there who have done some travelling around the world, maybe even just a trip to Australia. Has anyone ever encountered a similar situation to the one we have in Invercargill with the ILT. That is, an organization that would stifle private enterprise in order to set up a nanny state. In case you are wondering what a nanny state is, my definition is any community where the population are beneficiaries of a government or organization, where initiative is stifled, and where groups that would normally raise their own money also become beneficiaries. This would not be quite so bad if the ILT were to give money to needy people who for reasons of disability are not able to earn money in the conventional way, in other words a hand up, as distinct from a hand out. This is not the case with the ILT, they give out large sums of money to able bodied sports groups and the like, who are quite capable of rolling up their sleeves and earning some money themselves, if only they could overcome the inertia brought about by years of dependency on the ILT. As another analogy, you may not like the present government, but at least every three years you have an opportunity to change things by way of a general election. There is no such thing here in Invercargill when it comes to whether we want the ILT to continue or not. I have lived here for about 12 years and I have never been given the opportunity to vote on whether we still need the ILT. This is not democracy. I wish you well in your efforts to initiate a poll by way of a petition. Cheers John --------------------------- Can we invite the Trust board and staff to respond here in this survey? I would love to hear thier thoughts. Vanessa, Gladstone --------------------------- Guys, I think you will find that the Trusts survey needs a 1 for highest rating and an 11 (or 10) for a low rating. Hen, Invers --------------------------- I tried to fill in the Trusts own online survey, and I am pretty sure now that I have seen other posts here I think I have done it wrong. Name withheld, Invers --------------------------- So we get another pub for under 30's. How do we make sure its not like the other ones (cr*p)? Tim, Invercargill --------------------------- I have some reservations about how this process will affect any change in the town. Jemma, Invers --------------------------- How nice it would be for our town to have some of the feel of other towns cafe and nightlife scenes - tell you what - take the velodrome back and fix us up eh? Name withheld --------------------------- I have had no response to a letter to the editor of the Southland Times and also a nil response from Southland TV. This only confirms what I had been thinking all along, and that is that these two media outlets are scared of the ILT. How sad, how pathetic. How do the citizens of Invercargill allow themselves to be part of a closed society, where not only is there no freedom of choice when it comes to liquor, and hospitality, but there is no freedom of the press either. Does the ILT think that the news media can go on being silent for ever. There is a whole world out there beyond the Invercargill city limits and many more newspapers.. One day the truth will come out, and the present situation will only compound their problems and hasten their demise. To this end, I want each and every one of us to write to a newspaper outside Invercargill. Please leave feedback on this site when you have done so. Cheers John --------------------------- Pretty cool site - back soon Jed, IVC ---------------------------
Well said 'Ira', (below) eloquently put, your thoughts reflect mine. Noel, Clifton --------------------------- A friend alerted me to this site yesterday. The good that the Trust do is completely overshadowed by theeffect it has on our rights and choices. No more. Des, Gladstone --------------------------- I have for some time felt that the ILT system was outdated and reduced our options. Now I am becoming convinced. They have really started to outgrow their boots. Jane, Invercargill --------------------------- In reply to Bob, by all means send in your comments, but I think the time has come for doing more than that. What I would like to see is for each of us to let this site know what else they have been doing to bring about the demise of the ILT. I, myself have written an email to the Southland Times with some comments which I hope they will publish, also I have emailed the local TV station and suggested a debate. As well as that, I have been avoiding the ILT's booze barns when I want to buy liquor. If I get no joy from the Southland Times, then I will write to other newspapers, perhaps the Listener as well. The Sunday Star Times, now there is a paper that would be good to get on side. I would like to hear some feedback from others as to what else they are doing besides sending in comments to this website. Cheers John |
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